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		<title>By: alameda</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>alameda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, another AD is ranting about the apparent &quot;non-availability&quot; of the EIR. If he/she finds it cumbersome to selective print only the pages of interest , I fail to see how the said person doesn&#039;t find it cumbersome to carry the entire report (all 876 pages of it) on &quot;BART or waiting for a class to finish&quot;. 

Only in bizarro world ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, another AD is ranting about the apparent &#8220;non-availability&#8221; of the EIR. If he/she finds it cumbersome to selective print only the pages of interest , I fail to see how the said person doesn&#8217;t find it cumbersome to carry the entire report (all 876 pages of it) on &#8220;BART or waiting for a class to finish&#8221;. </p>
<p>Only in bizarro world &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Do</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD:

I think you know as well as anyone else that it is the way that you posed the question that is questionable here.  You asked:

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...didn’t someone ask you on a different blog about your role in re-defining the LOS levels for traffic in Alameda?...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wonder how many of the other Transportation Commissioners you have asked that question in such a manner in addition to JKW.  That question you asked is an entirely different one if you were actually interested in why the LOS levels were redefined, if they really were.   If you did have an interest in the issue you would pull out the policy statement from the EIR and ask questions as to why the decision was made to do whatever was done.  Rather you asked what role JKW had in crafting the policy and so I would throw back to you, what would it matter what role he had, if he had any, if there was a reasonable explanation for the decision.

As to the main post above, personally I found the topic meaningful because of the lack of action on the part of Action Alameda and friends to run a candidate against Marie Gilmore considering that the weeks leading up to the filing deadline they have been blaming her for every problem in the City possible (ignoring the fact that Doug deHaan made the exact same votes on the same issues) but without a tangible outcome or candidate to support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD:</p>
<p>I think you know as well as anyone else that it is the way that you posed the question that is questionable here.  You asked:</p>
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&#8230;didn’t someone ask you on a different blog about your role in re-defining the LOS levels for traffic in Alameda?&#8230;
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<p>I wonder how many of the other Transportation Commissioners you have asked that question in such a manner in addition to JKW.  That question you asked is an entirely different one if you were actually interested in why the LOS levels were redefined, if they really were.   If you did have an interest in the issue you would pull out the policy statement from the EIR and ask questions as to why the decision was made to do whatever was done.  Rather you asked what role JKW had in crafting the policy and so I would throw back to you, what would it matter what role he had, if he had any, if there was a reasonable explanation for the decision.</p>
<p>As to the main post above, personally I found the topic meaningful because of the lack of action on the part of Action Alameda and friends to run a candidate against Marie Gilmore considering that the weeks leading up to the filing deadline they have been blaming her for every problem in the City possible (ignoring the fact that Doug deHaan made the exact same votes on the same issues) but without a tangible outcome or candidate to support.</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BC, how does the tone of JKW&#039;s blog post today (and certain previous posts) leave you—exalted? I find it quite remarkable that he thinks he can maintain two public personas—the &quot;objective&quot; meeting commissioner and the self-involved, derisive blogger. That&#039;s hard for me to reconcile. I can argue issues all day, sourly or sweetly as I choose, but when someone avoids the issues he is qualified to talk about while making a special effort to sneer at people he personally dislikes, I think that person will encounter some problems with public perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BC, how does the tone of JKW&#8217;s blog post today (and certain previous posts) leave you—exalted? I find it quite remarkable that he thinks he can maintain two public personas—the &#8220;objective&#8221; meeting commissioner and the self-involved, derisive blogger. That&#8217;s hard for me to reconcile. I can argue issues all day, sourly or sweetly as I choose, but when someone avoids the issues he is qualified to talk about while making a special effort to sneer at people he personally dislikes, I think that person will encounter some problems with public perception.</p>
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		<title>By: BC</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>BC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD

In order to get differing viewpoints on island affairs, I read various Alameda blogs and papers from time to time (this, the AJ, the AS, Don Roberts&#039; and Lauren Do&#039;s blogs), and I find that the sour tone of your contributions, regardless of the issue or forum, leave me feeling a little depressed about the state of public discourse.  You might be more persuasive in making your case (if that is really what you&#039;re trying to do) if you managed to appear less bitter.  E.g., &quot;destroys whatever trust anyone might have in you.&quot;  Come on; isn&#039;t that a little rhetorically overblown?  I&#039;m presumably covered by &quot;anyone&quot; and I didn&#039;t have that reaction, and I don&#039;t think that necessarily because I don&#039;t share your point of view on this particular issue.  Anyway, just what I leaned when I was a young debate-team member...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD</p>
<p>In order to get differing viewpoints on island affairs, I read various Alameda blogs and papers from time to time (this, the AJ, the AS, Don Roberts&#8217; and Lauren Do&#8217;s blogs), and I find that the sour tone of your contributions, regardless of the issue or forum, leave me feeling a little depressed about the state of public discourse.  You might be more persuasive in making your case (if that is really what you&#8217;re trying to do) if you managed to appear less bitter.  E.g., &#8220;destroys whatever trust anyone might have in you.&#8221;  Come on; isn&#8217;t that a little rhetorically overblown?  I&#8217;m presumably covered by &#8220;anyone&#8221; and I didn&#8217;t have that reaction, and I don&#8217;t think that necessarily because I don&#8217;t share your point of view on this particular issue.  Anyway, just what I leaned when I was a young debate-team member&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Knox White</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>John Knox White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD, I invite you to come to the next TC meeting on Monday, 8/25 at 7pm to share your opinions at a public hearing at which I will be fulfilling my actual duties of TC member. until then, thanks for reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD, I invite you to come to the next TC meeting on Monday, 8/25 at 7pm to share your opinions at a public hearing at which I will be fulfilling my actual duties of TC member. until then, thanks for reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Do</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea...how about AD points to the part in the Transportation Plan that has him/her confused/concerned and then asks John to further explain what it means.  Here, let me get you started.   The &lt;a&gt;EIR can be found on the City website here.&lt;/a&gt;

I am assuming that whatever David Kirwin was talking about is somewhere in this document.   If there is a section or portion that is of concern, then by all means reveal it.  But to anticipate that a volunteer commissioner bend over backward over a nebulous statement made without providing evidence attributing the statement and goal to him/her is really quite presumptous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea&#8230;how about AD points to the part in the Transportation Plan that has him/her confused/concerned and then asks John to further explain what it means.  Here, let me get you started.   The <a>EIR can be found on the City website here.</a></p>
<p>I am assuming that whatever David Kirwin was talking about is somewhere in this document.   If there is a section or portion that is of concern, then by all means reveal it.  But to anticipate that a volunteer commissioner bend over backward over a nebulous statement made without providing evidence attributing the statement and goal to him/her is really quite presumptous.</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, this is not an acceptable answer. You are a Transportation commissioner, and the issue of LOS levels is something you are apparently involved in. I am absolutely sure you know both where the discussion is, and any related documents. Moreover, you seem to have plenty of time for sneering screeds like the one above that have nothing to do with your duties as an appointed commissioner for you to assume the &quot;I&#039;m a busy man&quot; pose. The whole thing seems like evading the issue, and destroys whatever trust anyone might have in you. It also proves the very point your teammate Lauren Do got so touchy about in the Sun last Friday, that blogs are a great way for politicians like you to avoid responsibility. 

Of course I can find out about the LOS levels. In the least, I&#039;ll ask David Kirwin—he seems to be on top of these things. I can also predict with fair amount of certainty that anything he states you would come out after with great indignation and a pile of numbers that may or may not pencil out. Why don&#039;t you just say upfront what it is people shouldn&#039;t be asking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, this is not an acceptable answer. You are a Transportation commissioner, and the issue of LOS levels is something you are apparently involved in. I am absolutely sure you know both where the discussion is, and any related documents. Moreover, you seem to have plenty of time for sneering screeds like the one above that have nothing to do with your duties as an appointed commissioner for you to assume the &#8220;I&#8217;m a busy man&#8221; pose. The whole thing seems like evading the issue, and destroys whatever trust anyone might have in you. It also proves the very point your teammate Lauren Do got so touchy about in the Sun last Friday, that blogs are a great way for politicians like you to avoid responsibility. </p>
<p>Of course I can find out about the LOS levels. In the least, I&#8217;ll ask David Kirwin—he seems to be on top of these things. I can also predict with fair amount of certainty that anything he states you would come out after with great indignation and a pile of numbers that may or may not pencil out. Why don&#8217;t you just say upfront what it is people shouldn&#8217;t be asking about?</p>
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		<title>By: John Knox White</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>John Knox White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ad, I have no better way of tracking it down than you do. I&#039;m working on other things and don&#039;t have time to look up things I don&#039;t need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ad, I have no better way of tracking it down than you do. I&#8217;m working on other things and don&#8217;t have time to look up things I don&#8217;t need.</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-971</link>
		<dc:creator>AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please point to the discussion. It does not appear to be on the thread where the question was asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please point to the discussion. It does not appear to be on the thread where the question was asked.</p>
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		<title>By: John Knox White</title>
		<link>http://johnknoxwhite.com/2008/08/13/let-the-gamesend/comment-page-1/#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>John Knox White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AD, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;didn’t someone ask you on a different blog about your role in re-defining the LOS levels for traffic in Alameda?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They sure did! And the question was answered at midnight last night. it was also covered in a much longer discussion on Lauren&#039;s site with the same inquisitor, so I don&#039;t see that re-responding is either necessary or a good use of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD, </p>
<blockquote><p>didn’t someone ask you on a different blog about your role in re-defining the LOS levels for traffic in Alameda?</p></blockquote>
<p>They sure did! And the question was answered at midnight last night. it was also covered in a much longer discussion on Lauren&#8217;s site with the same inquisitor, so I don&#8217;t see that re-responding is either necessary or a good use of my time.</p>
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